Comments on: Generation Watch … Hope for the Future http://www.theice.us/2010/02/09/how-to-form-an-ice-group/ Sun, 05 Feb 2012 21:05:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Ranique http://www.theice.us/2010/02/09/how-to-form-an-ice-group/#comment-8903 Ranique Sat, 09 Jul 2011 13:29:08 +0000 http://theice.clickcom.com/?p=377#comment-8903 <i>I’ve been struggling wtih this here in South Korea for 10 years. The 20-30 crowd is exactly as you describe in the article. However, the examing of the meaning of worship, building Christian relationships through biblical literacy and Holy Spirit revelation, and the precepts and commands to love one’s neighbor seem distant concepts and not necessary. What is desired is what you mention above. While we need to reach out to a new generation of sheep, I am at continual odds with “Do we look at new cultural norms and then squeeze the Bible and Jesus into them?” or “Do we look to find new ways to bring these sheep into the fold in imaginative ways that do not copy the world, remain different from the world, and do not violate essential tennants of Biblical faith?”</i> +1 I’ve been struggling wtih this here in South Korea for 10 years. The 20-30 crowd is exactly as you describe in the article. However, the examing of the meaning of worship, building Christian relationships through biblical literacy and Holy Spirit revelation, and the precepts and commands to love one’s neighbor seem distant concepts and not necessary. What is desired is what you mention above. While we need to reach out to a new generation of sheep, I am at continual odds with “Do we look at new cultural norms and then squeeze the Bible and Jesus into them?” or “Do we look to find new ways to bring these sheep into the fold in imaginative ways that do not copy the world, remain different from the world, and do not violate essential tennants of Biblical faith?”
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]]> By: Mark http://www.theice.us/2010/02/09/how-to-form-an-ice-group/#comment-802 Mark Tue, 27 Jul 2010 05:13:36 +0000 http://theice.clickcom.com/?p=377#comment-802 While I appreciate what seems to be "seeker-service" 2.0, and the ways this age group wants to behave and think (or, do, by cultural default or other), I see a couple things missing in the article that would seem to me to be key. First, why not study the Bible, intricately for what the Lord says about what and how we do it, thus guiding us in our fallen world. The article above seems to indicate that we cow tow to the "way things are" while leaving aside whether however they are is within the bounds of Biblical counsel. Forgive me if this is already assumed in the article above. Second, I find missing the word εκκλεσια. While the New Testament seems to be very flexible on how we worship, some things are set in eternal stone for the church. I ask the reader to study Ephesians for focus on unity in diversity and not in uniformity to every new cultural norm. I've been struggling wtih this here in South Korea for 10 years. The 20-30 crowd is exactly as you describe in the article. However, the examing of the meaning of worship, building Christian relationships through biblical literacy and Holy Spirit revelation, and the precepts and commands to love one's neighbor seem distant concepts and not necessary. What is desired is what you mention above. While we need to reach out to a new generation of sheep, I am at continual odds with "Do we look at new cultural norms and then squeeze the Bible and Jesus into them?" or "Do we look to find new ways to bring these sheep into the fold in imaginative ways that do not copy the world, remain different from the world, and do not violate essential tennants of Biblical faith?" I'm open to comment. What I see happening here, and perhaps worldwide, is a coming age of simplicity. Not all bad. But simplicity as the expense of a growing knowlegdeable relationship with the one true God in Jesus Christ, picking up a cross daily and following him. Contempory worship, in English, here, based in CCM and a sermon, seem to be the stone we try to skip along the surface of a lake. While I appreciate what seems to be “seeker-service” 2.0, and the ways this age group wants to behave and think (or, do, by cultural default or other), I see a couple things missing in the article that would seem to me to be key.

First, why not study the Bible, intricately for what the Lord says about what and how we do it, thus guiding us in our fallen world. The article above seems to indicate that we cow tow to the “way things are” while leaving aside whether however they are is within the bounds of Biblical counsel. Forgive me if this is already assumed in the article above.

Second, I find missing the word εκκλεσια. While the New Testament seems to be very flexible on how we worship, some things are set in eternal stone for the church. I ask the reader to study Ephesians for focus on unity in diversity and not in uniformity to every new cultural norm.

I’ve been struggling wtih this here in South Korea for 10 years. The 20-30 crowd is exactly as you describe in the article. However, the examing of the meaning of worship, building Christian relationships through biblical literacy and Holy Spirit revelation, and the precepts and commands to love one’s neighbor seem distant concepts and not necessary. What is desired is what you mention above. While we need to reach out to a new generation of sheep, I am at continual odds with “Do we look at new cultural norms and then squeeze the Bible and Jesus into them?” or “Do we look to find new ways to bring these sheep into the fold in imaginative ways that do not copy the world, remain different from the world, and do not violate essential tennants of Biblical faith?”

I’m open to comment. What I see happening here, and perhaps worldwide, is a coming age of simplicity. Not all bad. But simplicity as the expense of a growing knowlegdeable relationship with the one true God in Jesus Christ, picking up a cross daily and following him. Contempory worship, in English, here, based in CCM and a sermon, seem to be the stone we try to skip along the surface of a lake.

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